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Episode 05 Part 2 of 2

Everyone Goes to Heaven

The second part on extremism: how ordinary people get radicalized, and what brings them back.

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If episode four was about the shock of religious violence after Suharto, this one is about the people inside it — the young men and women who get recruited, the families they leave behind, and the artists and organizers who try to make other paths available.

Sidney Jones returns. She is joined by Heidi Arbuckle, who works at the intersection of tolerance, the arts, and civil society in Indonesia. Together they walk through what radicalization actually looks like up close, the role of schools and online platforms, and what the evidence says about what works when trying to pull people out.

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Read the transcript. The full episode transcript is available on Google Drive.

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